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Navien Tankless NR180 NR210 NR240
Oct 19th
With Navien Condensing Technology, you’re purchasing the most efficient home water heating system with “Ultra Condensing Efficiency”. Their systems offers substantial savings and produces less emmissions than a conventional water heater. Plus, the installation and venting processes are easy, cost effective, and Navien’s products are high in quality and performance.
The 3 primary Navien models
NR-180
NR-210
NR-240
These three are Natural gas systems, but you should note that they come in propane versions as well. In fact as propane burns hotter than natural gas the propane versions are a bit more efficient.
Navien tankless water heaters utilizes dual stainless steel heat exchangers, providing a longer life-expectancy and more resistance to erosion than copper heat exchangers. All tankless systems are designed to be cleaned and de-scaled, improving life span and durability.
Hot Water Flow Chart.
This chart shows the corrected values for hotwater production of each Navien water heater in relation to ground water temperature. Here in Ontario, Toronto, Mississauga, Hamilton, and the surrounding cities we should assume a ground water temperature of 35F.
Intelligent Remote Control For the Navien Tankless
NR-10DU (Included with every Navien Tankless Water Heater)
. Temperature adjustment in 1¡ÆF increments between 98-120¡ÆF
. Touch activated backlight function
. Easy-to-Use button type control
. Built-in recirculation timer for water and energy savings
. Key-pad lock button prevents inadvertent temperature changes
. Advanced water heater diagnosis capability and error feedback
Endless Hot Water Supply
Navien’s (and all tankless systems) offer an unlimited supply of hot water to meet a home’s unending demand
for hot water. With body showeres becoming much more common place now, it is imperative that you install a tankless. These new shower systems can
run a conventional tank type water heater dry in very short period.
Navien Venting Benefits
The high effciency of Navien’s Condensing Tankless Water Heater results in lower exhaust
temperatures, allowing for the use of 3” PVC venting.
• PVC venting offers a significant cost savings when compared with other venting materials.
• PVC venting is lightweight and easily slides together, reducing installation time
and makes it easy to run long distances.
See the Full Navien Brochure
Your Installer knows
Nov 23rd
You live in Toronto, Mississauga, Hamilton or one of the cities located nearby and your interested in a tankless water heater so you Google it, researching brands, models, venting and everything in between. You decide on a Navien tankless as it seems to have the best of everything. We are going to try and talk you out of it. The thing is most of the time people always search for the positives, try Goggling ‘Navien problems’ and you will find an entire underworld containing copious amounts of frustrations and little hacks to try and get these units running as they are plagued with problems.
You know your house inside and out as well as how your family uses water, but your installer knows tankless systems. You both need to listen to each other when determining the right brand and size to install.
An installer or company dealing with tankless systems installs them everyday they know the ins and outs of the different brands. Its likely that they will recommend a brand as they know its dependability.
Some Tips To Ask The Sales Representative
- Every tankless needs unique venting to meet Government requirements, if someone says they can sell you one over the phone…. RUN
- How many hot water applications can run simultaneously (eg. dishwasher, sink shower)
- Ask for a breakdown of costs
- Ensure you get the exact model they plan on installing and try a quick Google search on it
- Make sure you get your warranty printed on the contract
- Do they have experience installing in Toronto or surrounding areas
Noritz NRC111
Nov 9th
The Noritz NRC111 is a condensing tankless water heater. This is the only condensing tankless that Noritz makes and it produces 11.1 gallons of hot water per minute.
The Noritz NRC111 utilizes a dual heat exchanger, which is made from a fusion of stainless steel and copper exchangers. The 100% stainless steel component captures the residual heat from the exhaust temperature to preheat the incoming water before it runs through the main copper heat exchanger. This results in dramatic reduction of carbon dioxide and increases the tankless heater’s efficiency level to over 93%! Another benefit of this technology is lower exhaust temperatures, which means less costly PVC can be used for its venting. A PVC adapter is built into the Noritz heater for easy installation.
Specifications
Condensing technology – The most advanced Noritz unit, over 93% efficiency
Combi-system set-up - Open loop system functionality for both potable water heating and space heating combination system.
Safety lock out - Default max. 120 degrees (refer to owner’s manual for higher temp).
Dual flame burner – Minimizes temperature fluctuations.
Fully modulating – Automatically adjusts burner level accordingly.
Dual heat exchanger – 100% stainless steel corrosion resistant heat exchanger fused with a commercial grade copper heat exchanger.
Turbo Flow – Up to 11.1 GPM @ 35 degree temperature rise (8.4 GPM @ 45 degree rise).
Quick Connect – Doubles output by connecting 2 identical tankless units with a single cable.
Multi System - Up to 24 units can be linked and operated by a single system controller.
Direct ignition – No standby pilot light.
Thermal fuse – Automatic overheat protection system.
Resin coated PC board – Increases tankless durability and protection from elements.
Automatic air regulator – Monitors the Noritz tankless internal temperature/maximizes burner efficiency.
Neutralizer included - Built-in neutralizing system for condensation.
Request a Home Evaluation – See if a Noritz tankless can be installed in your home.
Rinnai Condensing Verses Navien Condensing
Nov 8th
These are the two heavy hitters in the high efficiency Tankless water heater field. How can you choose the correct tankless, well this article aims to help you choose between the Rinnai Tankless or the Navien Tankless.
| Brand | Rinnai | Navien | Rinnai | Navien |
| Model Nuber | RC98HP | NR240 | RC80HP | NR180 |
| Dimension | 19Wx26Hx11D | 17Wx28Hx15D | 19Wx26Hx11D | 17Wx28Hx14D |
| Weight | 71 lbs | 77 lbs | 64 lbs | 67 lbs |
| Activation Rate (GPM) | 0.4 | 0.5 | 0.4 | 0.5 |
| Min. Input (BTUs,NG) | 9,500 | 17,000 | 9,500 | 15,000 |
| Max. Input (BTUs,NG) | 199,000 | 199,000 | 157,000 | 150,000 |
| GPM @ 77 Rise | 5.0 | 5.0 | 4.0 | 3.8 |
| Thermal Efficiency | 96% | 98% | 97% | 98.8% |
| Energy Factor | 0.94 | 0.97 | 0.95 | 0.96 |
| Type of Venting | Concentric PP | Two Pipe PVC | Concentric PP | Two Pipe PVC |
This chart pits the two main tankless systems that each manufacturer produces, the only row it is missing is reliability. Unfortunately we dont have any scientific data on that but would venture to say that the Rinnai makes the more dependable tankless. This is solely based on comments that we receive here on the site regarding the two tankless manufacturers.
Prices
Nov 8th
Pricing a tankless from a website is, dare we say it…. Impossible.
There are too many unknowns, number of occupants, gas line size, venting issues, water pressure, to name only a few. Many sites offer tankless units and rely on the home owner to do the research necessary to understand all aspects of installation and preform it themselves. This is a recipe for disaster, it very well could work excellent and the owner may save some money… But these situations are far and few between. There is years of training and experience that plumbers and gas fitters go through to become qualified.
Having a tankless installed by a professional ensures your unit is correctly supplied, sized, and vented to meet the necessary requirements and provide the best possible results.
Now the Prices….
Below are all INSTALLED Prices and NEGOTIABLE, manufacture rebates are not included as they change on a monthly basis Contact Us For Current Promotions.
Rinnai Products
Rinnai – R75-LSi Tankless – $3250.00
Rinnai – RC80-HPi Condensing Tankless – $3895.00
Rinnai – Wireless Controller with Transceiver – $495.00
Rinnai – Wired Controller – $275.00
Noritz Products
Noritz – NRC111 Condensing Tankless – $4250.00
GSW
Envirosense PV 90% – $3400.00
Envirosense Power Direct Vent 96% – $4250.00
Power Vent 50 Gallon – $1800.00
Conventional Vent 50 Gallon – $1250.00
Finance Or Lease
All products are available to be either financed or leased Find out here about Financing and here about Leasing.
Prices are available within the Greater Toronto area, as well as Markham, Mississauga, Richmond Hill, Etobicoke, Hamilton, Burlington, Oakville and all towns within.
Maple Tankless
Sep 15th
Maple
Maple has a population or just over 50,000 with most of the homes being single detached. Owning a detached home 
increases the likeliness of a tankless water heater meeting the venting requirements and being installed. Many people want to upgrade their systems but are unable to due to venting issues associated with the tankless.
Homes in Maple are also on average quite large, this poses a secondary question… how big of a tankless water heater should I go? A REP for the Maple region can come out free of charge and answer these questions for you.
If you’re living in the Maple region a tankless is a great upgrade for your home saving you money and using less energy which ultimately helps the environment.
Find out about tankless water heaters installers in the Maple area
Tankless Brands
Jul 11th
There are a number of different brands of tankless water heaters below you will find a short synopsis of each of each tankless system.
Rinnai Tankless
Easily one of the biggest suppliers of tankless units, they are known for stability and reliability. Of all the experience we have had with tankless water heaters Rinnai’s Tankless is by far the most reliable unit on the market today.
Navien Tankless
This one is often spelled incorrectly as “Navian”. It has been know as the the most efficient tankless with their units reaching 98% efficiency. They have had reliability issues in the past but they are on to the 4th generation now and most of the issues have been cleared up.
Noritz Tankless
Not the most popular brand of tankless but it is a nice unit none the less. Reliability is lacking a bit but it makes it up in its efficiency.
Bosch Tankless
Commonly sold in Home Depots, these tankless systems are good units but they are so frequently incorrectly sized and installed that they have developed a bad reputation due to this.
Takagi Tankless
If for some reason I couldn’t get a Rinnai tankless I would choose the Takagi tankless model for sure, high efficiency, reliability, and easy venting. What more could you ask for?
John Wood Tankless
This brand can be difficult to find in Toronto or Ontario for that matter, its mainly sold in the US and is made by GSW.
Tankless Systems Installed in Etobicoke
Apr 23rd
Tankless Sytems Etobicoke
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We have install thousands of tankless water heaters in Toronto and surrounding areas. Etobicoke has proven to be one of those locations where the system will usually go in without a hitch. The water in Etobicoke is well
suited for a tankless system as there is not much buildup or scaling produced by it. Most homes are serviced by natural gas and provided at a reasonable cost to home owners. Venting has proven to be quite easy as homes seem to all meet requirements set out by Canadian Governments and the Tankless manufactures.
Now that the Ontario Government has reactivated the grants that were available to home owners its a great time to send us a message and have someone out to your home and make sure that a tankless water heater can be installed in your home.
If your interested in having a home energy audit done first please go here to book one.
Norits Tankless Water Heater
Mar 22nd
Norits Tankless Hot Water
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We are now starting to install the Norits tankless systems to replace the Navien that we have had some troubles with.
The Norits is a condensing tankless that is able to provide sufficient hot water for the typical 3 bedroom 3 bathroom home.
Nortis Advantages
- 0.5 GPM low flow start up requirement
- Direct ignition
- Condensing so
- Greater than 93% efficient
- Digital thermometer for accuracy
- Dual copper primary heat exchangers
- Multi-system compatibility
- PVC (636) venting capabilities
The Noritz 842 tankless water heater also uses a dual flame in its burner. This is a system that recirculates the exhaust gases back into the combustion chamber to burn off any excess fuel and particulate mater so as to increase efficiency and provide, essentially free heat.
Single Burner
Dual Burner
These energy efficient models use dual heat exchangers to increase efficiency to over 93%. Available form Norits are the N-0842MC and the N-0842MC-DV, the tankless come in either direct or power vent.
Fill out this form and see if the Norits tankless will work in your home. CLICK FOR FORM
Noritz is correctly spelled with a Z instead of an S but its a common mistake.
