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Pickering Tankless
Jan 11th
Thinking of getting a tankless? We offer installation and service throughout all of Pickering for both tankless and conventional tank type systems. If you rent your water heater it’s time to move to a systems that you own, and we can give you a great deal and stop the lifelong monthly payments. 
Pickering is a great city, it water is taken from Lake Ontario and this is conducive to a new tankless as it has a relatively low dissolved solids content. Pickering has water that reduces the amount of buildup on the inside of a tankless heat exchanger. A tankless has a lifespan of over 20 years.
Here is some quick math on owing a tankless vs purchasing one in Pickering
- Rental
- Tankless Rental – $39/month
- Tankless Lifespan – 20 years
- Total = $9,360
- Purchased
- Purchase Price – $3500 max
- Savings - $5860 or more
We offer tankless systems in Pickering installed for around $3000 plus or minus $500. On top of all that a tankless will save you money on your gas bill as it is over 90% efficient verses a regular tank that is at best 60%.
IF your interested in getting a tankless send us some info and we can get you a free quote
Tankless Issues – The Facts and the Fiction
Nov 15th
Tankless Issues – The Facts and the Fiction
Some people are very resistant to change, I don’t know what it is but some will fight it until the end of time. A recent Toronto HVAC company posted a large article on their website outlining all the negative aspects of a tankless system and how they would never recommend it nor install one. We install both systems and you know what, they both have their positives and negatives. I hope to detail the issues a little further here and let you decide which system you want for your home.
There is no big savings – This is very subjective, here are the facts.
- A tankless will cost you more money upfront than a conventional tank system. True.
- A tankless will last longer -20 plus years.
- Unit and Installation costs are more expensive. True.
- Efficiency of a tankless remains at or just below initial claims for lifespan.
- Much higher efficiency, 82% regular tankless, 98% condensing tankless.
- A tankless does require cleaning to maintain such high efficiency (vinegar rinse).
- Tankless systems do need and use electricity.
- $375 Government grant available for new tankless.
- Conventional tanks loose 2-3% efficiency per year (scale build-up)
- Cheaper to purchase and install
- Conventional tank lifespan – 12 plus years
- Some tank systems need zero electricity
- Conventional tank heaters start at between 58% and 68% efficiency
Tankless
Conventional Tank Water Heater
Which system is better on your pocket book? It’s going to be up to you as there is a number of factors, including the price of natural gas, which will likely only rise over time.
Upfront costs are high - Yes, it will cost you more for a tankless than a conventional tank, your homes particular usage will significantly affect a breakeven point and whether a tankless is a good idea or if you should stick with a conventional tank system.
High Tankless Maintenance Costs – Your conventional tank has basically zero maintenance barring anything breaks but it loses 2-3 percent efficiency a year. You can flush a conventional tank and regain some of its efficiency with the removal of scale build-up. A tankless is usually flushed once every year or two, which consists of simply pumping vinegar through the system for 30 minutes or so. All tankless systems should have flush valves already installed and this will maintain the extremely high efficiency ratings. I wouldn’t say that a tankless has higher maintenance costs, its just that no one does it for a conventional tank.
Electricity Use - A tankless does need electricity to run sensors, a vent fan, and a starter, this is true. Some tank type water heaters need zero electricity, but if you have a power vented conventional tank system your water heater is using just as much electricity as a tankless would.
The fact of the matter is that a home really needs to be analyzed to see whether a tankless makes sense or if the home owner would continue to benefit from a conventional tank water heater. I won’t make claims on how much can or can’t be saved because any number would be a wild generalizations and any company that does, shouldn’t be trusted.
As always we do offer free consultations over the phone, or at your home. If interested give us a call or send us a quick message here
ecoENERGY Grants and Rebates
Nov 2nd
The ecoENERGY Retrofit for residential homes is creating jobs and helping Ontario residents save money. These changes help to reduce energy bills now and in the
future. BUT you need to act quickly, funding for the grant program is limited and everyones evaluations and retrofits need to be completed before March 31, 2012 or you will missout.
This ecoENERGY retrofit program has a specific section for tankless water heaters as they’re very high efficiency systems compared to what has conventionally been installed in homes. In Ontario you can expect a $375 rebate from the Government if you decided to switch over to a high efficiency tankless.
Several tankless brands are able to deliver the required efficiency and all bring in the full rebate value. If your interested you can read more about the different tankless brands and their specifications below.
Eligibility for the ecoENERGY retrofit program in Ontario
New ecoENERGY Participants – If you or the previous owner of your home didn’t have and energy audit completed between April 1 2007 and June 5 2011 than you are considered a new applicant. All you need to do is sign up and have the initial audit of your home completed – FIND OUT MORE
Past ecoENERGY Participants – If you or the previous owner of your home participated in the program between April 1 2007 and June 5 2011 and the maximum amount of $5000 wasn’t submitted then you can submit another application for upgrades completed on or after June 6 2011.
Popular Items on the Ontario Grant Table
- Furnaces — high-efficiency gas/oil furnace, up to $790
- Central air conditioners — replacement air conditioner $250
- Hot water heaters — high-efficiency gas water heater $375
- Hot water heaters — condensing tankless water heater $375
- Boilers — high-efficiency gas or oil boiler upgrade $750
- HRV — in home heat recovery ventilator $375
- Solar Thermal— installation of solar hot water system $1,250
- Heat pumps — air-source heat pump that doubles as air conditioner $500
- Geothermal — energy-efficient ground or water source heat pumps, up to $4,375
Ontario homeowners also can take advantage of these upgrades
- Attic or roof — insulation up to $750
- Exterior wall — insulation up to $1,875
- Basement — insulation up to $1,250
- Crawl space — insulation up to $1,000
Interested in an Energy Audit and dont know where to start? Start Here and know information is always free!
If your interested in a tankless than you want to Start Here
Servicing areas in and around Hamilton, Brampton, Georgetown, Etobicoke, Toronto, Brantford, Barrie, Vaughan, Maple, Nobleton, Bolton, Rexdale, Unionville, Newmarket, Bradford, King, Port Union.
Grants For Tankless Are Ending In Ontario
Mar 3rd
The grant money available to home owners that switch from a regular conventional tank to the newer tankless system will disappear on MARCH 31st 2011.
This a great program that the Government has in place to help home owners offset the cost associated with upgrading old heating, cooling, insulation and various other systems within a home. Upgrading old conventional tank type water heaters was one of the major targeted areas that saw huge grants to promote the removal of these systems. A tankless system is designed to have a lifespan of over 20 years, where as a tank will be lucky to last 12-15 years. The efficiency comparison between a storage tank system and a tankless is roughly around the 40% mark. Yes a tankless will be more expensive but it will save you money, and even though that money is hard to see a tankless systems is a proven money saver. 
You Have Never Had An Eco Energy Audit
If your living in Ontario and just hearing about this program now your OK you can still participate you just need to act fast visit home eco energy audit to book an audit as soon as possible the auditor will explain everything you need to know.
- Get your first audit
- Upgrade your home (furnace, tankless, windows insulation, as much or a little as you choose)
- Have a second audit preformed to confirm upgrades
- Wait for rebate money from the Government (usually takes a while, as we all know how fast they work)
You Have Had Your First Audit
If you know about the program and have had your first audit completed and maybe a few upgrades on your come installed, you have until the end of the month to get the final audit and receive your grant money.
- The second audit is cheap and you will receive all your rebates for all upgrades
- You can go with any auditing company to do the second audit (they all have access to your first audit details and info) Home Eco Energy Audits is a good Toronto based company that has auditors all over Ontario.
- You only have until March 31 to finish this last audit or you lose out.
This is a Win Win program for all Canadian and Ontario citizens, the Government is helping you pay for new HVAC equipment for your home and you never need to pay them back for it.. DEAL
Prices
Nov 8th
Pricing a tankless from a website is, dare we say it…. Impossible.
There are too many unknowns, number of occupants, gas line size, venting issues, water pressure, to name only a few. Many sites offer tankless units and rely on the home owner to do the research necessary to understand all aspects of installation and preform it themselves. This is a recipe for disaster, it very well could work excellent and the owner may save some money… But these situations are far and few between. There is years of training and experience that plumbers and gas fitters go through to become qualified.
Having a tankless installed by a professional ensures your unit is correctly supplied, sized, and vented to meet the necessary requirements and provide the best possible results.
Now the Prices….
Below are all INSTALLED Prices and NEGOTIABLE, manufacture rebates are not included as they change on a monthly basis Contact Us For Current Promotions.
Rinnai Products
Rinnai – R75-LSi Tankless – $3250.00
Rinnai – RC80-HPi Condensing Tankless – $3895.00
Rinnai – Wireless Controller with Transceiver – $495.00
Rinnai – Wired Controller – $275.00
Noritz Products
Noritz – NRC111 Condensing Tankless – $4250.00
GSW
Envirosense PV 90% – $3400.00
Envirosense Power Direct Vent 96% – $4250.00
Power Vent 50 Gallon – $1800.00
Conventional Vent 50 Gallon – $1250.00
Finance Or Lease
All products are available to be either financed or leased Find out here about Financing and here about Leasing.
Prices are available within the Greater Toronto area, as well as Markham, Mississauga, Richmond Hill, Etobicoke, Hamilton, Burlington, Oakville and all towns within.
Rebates
Jul 13th
Rebates Are Still Available!
Most people think that the Eco Energy rebate program has ended but it is still ongoing and it will likely be re-instated upon its scheduled closing. 
If your interested in getting a tankless water heater for your home then you can still be eligible for rebate and grants from the Canadian Government to offset the higher cost of the tankless. You will need to participate in the Government Eco Energy Audit Program to become eligible for the grants.
The Energy Audit tells you information about your home and is a lot of value to most home owners, you will also gain access to grant money for home insulation, toilets, furnaces, air conditioners, etc.
How much rebate for a Tankless?
This is a common question and it changes with the tankless water heater you buy. You can expect $315 for any tankless that has an efficiency rating below 92%. If you go with a condensing tankless which will bring your efficiency rating up in between 94% to 98% you will receive $375.
Tankless water heaters are notoriously difficult to install and thus a representative needs to come out and assess your home. They can answer any further questions you have and help decide where you would like the unit installed (remember it mounts on the wall).
Home Owner To do List-Tankless
May 27th
Bosch vs Rinnai Tankless
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When it comes to home improvement there are so many options available. Most homeowners make a mental to do list of the projects that are weekend projects and ones best left to the pros. To do lists are usually placed in order of cost and capability to complete the task. A tankless water heater is a project that is well worth putting at the top of your to do list. We can have REP come out and go over where a unit can be installed and what an install entails. Then you can spend the rest of your Saturday planning on how to use the extra space your old hot water tank took up.
With conventional tank type water heaters there is a strangely long list of things that are not exactly great selling points. Things like, pilot lights that miraculously go out at the most inconvenient times, limited storage capabilities, short life spans, and a loss of energy efficiency due to sludge build up at the bottom of the tank.
The tankless water heater solves a lot of the standard water heater problems. Current water heaters use energy by constantly working to maintain heated water temperatures of 40 to 50 gallons that is not even being used. A tankless system costs 60 percent less to operate than the standard tank because it only heats the water when it is requested by the home owner. Another selling point is the life expectancy of these units, double sometimes even triple to that of the traditional unit.
If you are trying to ‘Go Green’ most tankless water heaters are Energy Star approved. This means that you are not only reducing your carbon footprint by 63 percent compared to the standard unit, you will also be saving energy, and that means real money back in your pocket.
In addition to the money that you are going to be saving on reduced energy bills, the Provincial Government offers tax incentives of up to 30 percent for energy efficiency improvements.
New Tankless Grants in Ontario
Apr 21st
Ontario Tankless Grants
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Its still early but I think its safe to say that the Ontario Government is maintaining its side of the grant money 
available to home owners. It has been a relatively convoluted situation as some people have received official continuation press releases while others haven’t. Currently we haven’t here at Tankless Water Heaters but today a service provider brought one in for us to view. We will try and have a copy posted up soon.
Grants are back and available to Home owners for tankless water heaters.
If you were kicking yourself for not getting a tankless when the government grants were available then your certainly in luck today.
Grant Money Increased By 25%
Apr 1st
25% more for a new Tankless
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Part of the government’s economic action plan is to boost the eco energy retrofit program that is currently running. The government has increased all available grant money for energy efficient retrofits by 25%. Additionally the program has been expanded with a 300 million dollar increase in funding over the next two 
years.
You can download the new PDF here
Initially the program gave home owners 18 months to complete all retrofits, perform the E audit and submit files for rebates. This has now been extended and homeowners that are past their 18 month time frame can still perform retrofits and get access to additionally grant money by performing a F-audit.
This is really significant for The Tankless Hot Water Guide as the additionally grant money will further reduce the cost of tankless water heaters for consumers. A tankless with an efficiency of .82% or better will get you 630$ in rebate money. If you decide to go with a condensing tankless water heater the grant money is even better (.94% efficiency or better) this will net you a 750$ cheque from the government.
You cant find a better time to get go out and get a tankless water heater.
