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Your Installer knows
Nov 23rd
You live in Toronto, Mississauga, Hamilton or one of the cities located nearby and your interested in a tankless water heater so you Google it, researching brands, models, venting and everything in between. You decide on a Navien tankless as it seems to have the best of everything. We are going to try and talk you out of it. The thing is most of the time people always search for the positives, try Goggling ‘Navien problems’ and you will find an entire underworld containing copious amounts of frustrations and little hacks to try and get these units running as they are plagued with problems.
You know your house inside and out as well as how your family uses water, but your installer knows tankless systems. You both need to listen to each other when determining the right brand and size to install.
An installer or company dealing with tankless systems installs them everyday they know the ins and outs of the different brands. Its likely that they will recommend a brand as they know its dependability.
Some Tips To Ask The Sales Representative
- Every tankless needs unique venting to meet Government requirements, if someone says they can sell you one over the phone…. RUN
- How many hot water applications can run simultaneously (eg. dishwasher, sink shower)
- Ask for a breakdown of costs
- Ensure you get the exact model they plan on installing and try a quick Google search on it
- Make sure you get your warranty printed on the contract
- Do they have experience installing in Toronto or surrounding areas
Home Depot Tankless or Rinnai
May 12th
Bosch vs Rinnai Tankless
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There has been quite the buzz regarding tankless water heaters lately. Claims of their superior energy savings and efficiency have been touted by every company pushing the units. Yes they do reduce the amount of gas or propane you use but they also provide endless hot water. If you take a 45 minute shower your more than likely using more energy than you would with a conventional tank that simply runs out of hot water after 20. Yet if you are reasonable and shower for the same duration, you have great potential to see some real energy (and money) savings with a tankless water heater.
Now that you know you want a tankless you have two options…
Option 1 – Go to your nearest Home Depot and purchase one from there, then hire a gas fitter and a plumber to install it
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Option 2 – Look for a professional tankless installer who has the specialty to preform a stand-up job.
Being the person purchasing the system cost will obviously be a factor and I guarantee Home Depot will be the cheapest option (If cost is your only driving force you should click the link and head to Home Depot now).
For those of you that stuck around I will explain why the second choice is probably the best choice.
Firstly if you call around to a few tankless installers you will quickly realize that none of them sell Bosch tankless heaters (Bosch is the only tankless brand Home Depot sells). The reason why these companies don’t offer this brand is due to the fact they offer extended warranties and guarantees. They are on the line for the products they sell and thus they go with quality products they know will stand up and remain reliable.
Enter Rinnai.
Ask these same tankless installation companies if they sell the Rinnai brand tankless water heater and I bet you find that 99% of them do. Rinnai tankless water heaters are built to last and this is why industry professionals install this brand. Lets compare the Bosch and Rinnai tankless models and see some of the differences.
Bosch Aquastar Tankless Water Heater 1600H compared with Rinnai R75LSi Tankless
Bosch Tankless Verses a Rinnai Tankless
| Bosch 1600H | Rinnai R75LSi | |
|---|---|---|
| Tankless Weight | 33 Pounds | 50 Pounds |
| Power Input (NG) | 30,735-117,000 Btu | 15,000-180,000 Btu |
| CSA Certified | Yes | Yes |
| GPM | 0.6 – 3.5 GPM | 0.6 – 7.5 GPM |
| Energy Factor | 0.8 or 80% | 0.82 or 82% |
| Heat Exchanger | Residential Grade | Commercial Grade |
| Cost or Price | $939 + installation and Vent | $2850 or $39.95 rental |
As you can see there are some definite differences, probably the most glaring is the amount of hotwater that can be provided. The Rinnai is able to produce more than twice as much, meaning you won’t run into problems when running more than one appliance or faucet..
Of course this doesn’t take into account all the benefits that you get from a professional install like:
- Proper venting, tankless systems have very specific code requirements
- Correct sizing so that you always have enough hot water
- Additional warranty and workmanship guarantees
- Maintenance guarantees, service plans, and emergency tech service.
Sure any Ontario Home Depot has the cheapest system but I hope I clarified why they’re some much cheaper. Now those of you still left reading option 2 and didn’t click on the Home Depot link you are obviously interested in a tankless. These systems can’t go in every home due to venting issues so we send out a technician to make sure everything will work and what size tankless your home would need. This is a free service, so just fill out the form below and we will call you to schedule a time for someone to come by. Typically only 15-20 minutes.
Technicians are fitting and sizing tankless water heaters in all of the greater Toronto area as well as, Hamilton, Burlington, Oakville, Etobicoke, Mississauga, Rexdale, Richmond Hill, Vaughan, Markham, North York, Scarborough, Im sure I have missed some cities but you get the idea, if in question just send us an email.
Brampton Tankless Water Heater Systems Installed
Mar 29th
Brampton Tankless
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If you live in Brampton and interested in a tankless water heater you have stumbled upon the right site. We can install, service, and maintain all tankless water heaters within Brampton, Ontario. We recommend a Rinnai Tankless system as the homes in Brampton are typically single detached which offer a variety of options for venting the tankless. The Rinnai are also the most reliable of all the systems that we have installed.
Brampton water is considered moderately hard (Source, Peel Region) so it is important if you have a tankless in Brampton to flush your system regularly to reduce the buildup of mineral deposits (flushing your tankless).
Prices for a tankless water heater in Brampton will vary by installer so it pays to shop around and get the best price. I wouldn’t recommend you go with the cheapest quote but probably mid range as that’s where you will be getting the best install for your “Buck”.
Live in Brampton and interested in a Tankless quote?
Fill out the form and we can send out a REP who can make sure that the tankless system can even be installed. They can give you a walk though of the process and explain all the cost associated with installing a tankless. This of course is all free for you (unless you buy a tankless then you will have to pay).
Navien Venting
Oct 22nd
Navian Venting
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Navian Tankless water heaters have a significant advantage in their venting requirements. For the Navian system to meet code it only need to be vented with conventional PVC piping. This results in a significant cost savings for the consumer or Navian tankless owner. The required pipe can be purchased at your local Home Depot or hardware store. In addition if you purchase the system from a certified installer or dealer they are able to pass the savings on to you, reducing the overall cost.
The reason that conventional piping can be used is due to the Navian system recycling so much of the heat that the exhaust gasses being released are basically just warm air. This reduces the risk of fire and allows for more versitile venting options.
If your considering a tankless water heater, take another look at the Navian systems they are full of unique innovations other companies are trying to match.
Are you in the greater toronto area or the golden horse shoe? Places like Mississauga, Hamilton, Oakville, Newmarket, Vaughn, Richmond Hill, Scarborough. If so we are a certified dealer and installer of Navien Tankless water heaters fill out a quick form and we can have someone call you within 24 hours to book a free consultation and see if your home fits the requirements for a tankless water heater.
Fill out the form here for a Free Quote FORM
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First Rinnai Condensing Tankless
Oct 14th
Rinnai Condensing
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Rinnai’s condensing water heating technology offers all of the lifestyle benefits of traditional tankless water heaters which includes continuous hot water and the ability to run multiple hot water appliances at the same time coupled with even greater energy savings. Rinnai’s unique condensing design incorporates two innovative heat exchangers to achieve optimum water heating value from every cubic foot of natural gas or propane, and the units are ENERGY STAR qualified. The condensing process delivers up to 95 percent thermal efficiency, which translates to significant energy savings when compared to traditional gas tank water heaters. Available in four models, the condensing tankless water heaters are designed to meet the needs of mid to large sized homes and can be banked for even greater capacity. Like all Rinnai tankless water heaters, the condensing tankless water heaters contain commercial grade heat exchangers, making them an ideal choice for both residential and commercial applications.
In addition to the units’ lifestyle and energy saving benefits, the Rinnai condensing tankless water heaters utilize a unique concentric venting system that is specifically designed for gas appliance venting. This results in an overall safer and easier to install product. The concentric venting design is a safer option for consumers due to the use of a polypropylene inner pipe, which is designed to withstand varying flue temperature conditions that may be experienced over the life of a product. Also, since Rinnai’s concentric venting system uses just one pipe that is fit and locked into place without glues or solvents with expandable gasket seals at pipe joints, the risk of gaps is virtually eliminated, further contributing to the safety of the system; plus, installers appreciate the simplified, quicker installation afforded by the single pipe.
Find out more on the Rinnai condensing takless you can give our office a call or fill out the quick form and we will have some one call you back.
Tankless Rental Program
May 20th
Tankless Rentals
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Home owners in Ontario, Toronto, Burlington, Hamilton, Etobicoke and the GTA are now able to rent a tankless hot water heater instead of the conventional tank type. A tankless system heats water on demand 
or as required by a home owner and provides an endless supply. A conventional tank heats water all day long and wastes energy.
This is a worry free rental program that gives home owners the option to go tankless without the upfront costs. Switching out your old tank is easy as expert installers will remove the old tank and replace it with the new tankless system. The old tank will, if you own it be recycled or if it’s a rental returned to the company that you’re currently with.
This should all take less than 4 hours and you can be saving over a 1000 pounds of CO2 a year.
Fill out this quick form and we will have someone contact you within 24 hours to answer any question and find out if a tankless will work in your home.
Tankless Installation Time
Apr 8th
Installing a Tankless
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How long is it going to take to install a new tankless water heater?
There really isn’t a simple time frame that can be stated because no two installs are the same. Everyone’s home is unique and this means that install times are different for every home. If you have a tankless system and are replacing it (far and few between) the tankless install will be relatively quick as most of the pipes and the gas line will be the right vicinity.
If you are moving from a conventional hot water tank to a tankless water heater then it will take at least a few hours. These are a few of the required tasks of an install crew
This is a very short rundown of the installation process, it is much more detailed and requires more time than you might expect. All tankless water heaters have very specific details as to where and how they are vented. This does place a bit more work on the installer as they have to ensure that their installation meets all codes.
All and all a new tankless installation will run anywhere from a few hours to an entire day. For the majority of situations it is rare for a tankless to take more than half of a day to install. So I would suggest to budget about 4 hours for the installers to finish their work.
The Cold water Sandwich
Mar 23rd
What is the cold water sandwich?
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This sandwich happens when there is warm water for a few minutes then a burst of cold and then rapidly back to warm. This occurs in homes with tankless water heaters as the residual water in the pipes going to a faucet or shower can still be hot. The user in the household will then turn the tap on and feel warm water almost instantly. A tankless water heater takes a few seconds to heat up the heat exchanger and start 
transferring that heat to the water. The result is that a small amount of cold water can make it through the heat exchanger without warming up. When this cold water reaches the end user it may not even be noticed or if the person is in the shower it may be quite evident. After a second or two the heat exchanger is working and hot water is being produced and sent though the hot water pipes bring the desired water temperature again. This does occur more frequently in electric tankless water heaters over gas powered tankless systems. Gas is at full temperature almost immediately where an electric element can take a minute to fully reach its operating temperature.
Now you know what a hot water sandwich is in reference to plumbing and tankless hot water heaters, ask your contractor or installer as there are ways to mitigate this sandwich.
