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Home Depot Tankless or Rinnai
May 12th
Bosch vs Rinnai Tankless
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There has been quite the buzz regarding tankless water heaters lately. Claims of their superior energy savings and efficiency have been touted by every company pushing the units. Yes they do reduce the amount of gas or propane you use but they also provide endless hot water. If you take a 45 minute shower your more than likely using more energy than you would with a conventional tank that simply runs out of hot water after 20. Yet if you are reasonable and shower for the same duration, you have great potential to see some real energy (and money) savings with a tankless water heater.
Now that you know you want a tankless you have two options…
Option 1 – Go to your nearest Home Depot and purchase one from there, then hire a gas fitter and a plumber to install it
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Option 2 – Look for a professional tankless installer who has the specialty to preform a stand-up job.
Being the person purchasing the system cost will obviously be a factor and I guarantee Home Depot will be the cheapest option (If cost is your only driving force you should click the link and head to Home Depot now).
For those of you that stuck around I will explain why the second choice is probably the best choice.
Firstly if you call around to a few tankless installers you will quickly realize that none of them sell Bosch tankless heaters (Bosch is the only tankless brand Home Depot sells). The reason why these companies don’t offer this brand is due to the fact they offer extended warranties and guarantees. They are on the line for the products they sell and thus they go with quality products they know will stand up and remain reliable.
Enter Rinnai.
Ask these same tankless installation companies if they sell the Rinnai brand tankless water heater and I bet you find that 99% of them do. Rinnai tankless water heaters are built to last and this is why industry professionals install this brand. Lets compare the Bosch and Rinnai tankless models and see some of the differences.
Bosch Aquastar Tankless Water Heater 1600H compared with Rinnai R75LSi Tankless
Bosch Tankless Verses a Rinnai Tankless
| Bosch 1600H | Rinnai R75LSi | |
|---|---|---|
| Tankless Weight | 33 Pounds | 50 Pounds |
| Power Input (NG) | 30,735-117,000 Btu | 15,000-180,000 Btu |
| CSA Certified | Yes | Yes |
| GPM | 0.6 – 3.5 GPM | 0.6 – 7.5 GPM |
| Energy Factor | 0.8 or 80% | 0.82 or 82% |
| Heat Exchanger | Residential Grade | Commercial Grade |
| Cost or Price | $939 + installation and Vent | $2850 or $39.95 rental |
As you can see there are some definite differences, probably the most glaring is the amount of hotwater that can be provided. The Rinnai is able to produce more than twice as much, meaning you won’t run into problems when running more than one appliance or faucet..
Of course this doesn’t take into account all the benefits that you get from a professional install like:
- Proper venting, tankless systems have very specific code requirements
- Correct sizing so that you always have enough hot water
- Additional warranty and workmanship guarantees
- Maintenance guarantees, service plans, and emergency tech service.
Sure any Ontario Home Depot has the cheapest system but I hope I clarified why they’re some much cheaper. Now those of you still left reading option 2 and didn’t click on the Home Depot link you are obviously interested in a tankless. These systems can’t go in every home due to venting issues so we send out a technician to make sure everything will work and what size tankless your home would need. This is a free service, so just fill out the form below and we will call you to schedule a time for someone to come by. Typically only 15-20 minutes.
Technicians are fitting and sizing tankless water heaters in all of the greater Toronto area as well as, Hamilton, Burlington, Oakville, Etobicoke, Mississauga, Rexdale, Richmond Hill, Vaughan, Markham, North York, Scarborough, Im sure I have missed some cities but you get the idea, if in question just send us an email.
Does a Tankless Water Heater Save Money?
Apr 7th
Tankless Systems Save
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Tankless systems are very effective at saving you money. This only makes sense as they only provide hot water on demand. They don’t heat water and then hold it, continually maintaining that temperature.
You wouldn’t leave your car running all night so that it was warm in the morning would you? Well that’s what your hot water tank does day in and day out.
Our tankless water rental tanks have been unaffected by the drop of the government grants. If your living in the 
greater Toronto area, and place like Brampton, Mississauga, North York, Hamilton, Richmond Hill, Thornhill, and Markham. You are very likely renting your conventional tank and paying upwards of $20-$30 a month for a system worth $700 at most. Upgrading to a tankless and we take care of returning your old tank, and installing a tankless. All for roughly $10 more a month and you have a system valued at nearly $4000 providing your hot water.
- Tankless systems are more reliable
- Tankless water heaters are more energy efficient
- They provide endless hot water
- You get unlimited tech support
- Unlimited emergency service and repairs
These systems are proven energy and money savers, sure they cost a little bit more a month to rent but you easily make that up in the natural gas or electricity reduction savings.
Contact us to find out more
Advice on Tankless Water
Mar 19th
Tankless Help
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We have been in this business for quite a while now and these are some of our feelings and issues…..
If you’re out getting quotes for new tankless water heaters and some company or sales person quotes you anything less than 2000 dollars Canadian for the entire job parts & labor, watch out! It’s probably (and likely) to good to be true. There’s a good chance you’re going to be one of the next victim of “To good to be true pricing”. If you do end up having a problem it will cost you twice as much to correct the issue than it would have if you had if you had the unit installed correctly the first time.
Don’t forget about the extra costs, a high quality tankless water heaters system designed for a small home will cost at least 1,200 dollars. You have additional costs also you need to consider when you have decided to make the purchase. Remember…..
- valve kit
- Gas line
- Exhaust piping
- Condensate pump
- Gas termination plates
- Strap hangers
- Water piping
- Brass, and copper fittings
- Electrical outlet (if there’s not one nearby)
On top of that you have the labour, in general a Tankless should be able to be installed in half a day.
The Discount Tankless Water Heater
If a friend or someone you know says they can install a tankless water heater for a “few hundred bucks” remember its not a deal, these systems can be VERY specific in terms of gas or water pressure and it will probably end up costing you more to get a certified installer out to fix the job.
If your father or father in law was a plumber in the Navy 40 years ago, please don’t let him install your tankless water heater!
If a young relative or friend just got out of plumbing school, do not let them install your tankless water heater!
If your getting estimates for a new tankless water heater, and the installer cannot show you at least one picture of a previous tankless water heater installation he or she did, do not hire that person as your installer.
If the sales person shows up at your home and doesn’t bother to look around to make sure the installation will go by checking gas lines, venting location, installation site, etc do not let that person install your new tankless water heater!
Please Note: Tankless water heaters often cannot be installed due to building and plumbing codes in Ontario and Canada, additionally there are specific manufacturing requirements all installs must meet.
DO NOT BUY A TANKLESS WATER HEATER FROM HOME DEPOT OR ANOTHER BIG BOX STORE!!!
The units they offer provide the least hot water on the market. Nearly 65% of all tankless water heater bought from Home Depot were returned (2008 – 2009 figure). People think they’re getting a “good deal” but they most likely will end up with major headaches.
Leave tankless water heaters to the pros.
We install Tankless in Toronto, Tankless in Hamilton, Tankless in Mississauga, Tankless in Etobicoke, Tankless in Richmond Hill, Tankless in Markham, Tankless in Bolton, Tankless in Rexdale, Tankless in Brampton and many other locations.
Follow this link and see if a tankless can even be installed in your home and if it can we can provide a Free quote on a tankless system for you.
Takagi Condensing Tankless Review
Mar 16th
Takagi Condensing Tankless
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Here is the Takagi T-H2 Condensing Tankless hot water heater, there’s a lot to cover so lets get started.
Takagi Tankless Benefits
- PVC venting
- 95% efficient
- 4.6 GPM in dead of winter
- 8.5 GPM in the summer
- Direct vent capability
Info
The T-H2 model is available as a direct vent or an Outdoor model only. Takagi’s T-H2 “2nd Generation High Efficiency Tankless” unit, is a very energy efficient tankless unit (up to 95% in thermal efficiency) in the Tankless industry. The T-H2 was apparently designed for residential and light commercial use and offers Takagi’s Easy-Link to join multiple units.
The T-H2 can provide upwards of three showers’ worth of water simultaneously in colder climates.
The T-H2 can be vented with PVC, providing 0 clearance for DV installations. PVC venting can be used in all applications and apparently Takagi says that 3″ exhaust venting is now available (previously it required a 3″ intake and a 4″ exhaust).
The primary heat exchanger is made of “Heat Resistant Alloy” HRS35 Copper, Takagi has also added a “High Corrosion Resistant Stainless Steel” #316L secondary heat exchanger to recover waste heat from the vent stack before it leaves the unit to preheat the incoming ground water. This second heat exchanger and the resulting condensation that forms from the high efficiency operation, classify it as a “Condensing” Water Heater.
Download the official Takagi T-H2 Manual Here. Must have a PDF viewer.
Specifications
| Natural Gas Input | Min. 13,000BTU | Max. 199,000BTU |
| LPG Input | Min. 13,000BTU | Max. 199,000BTU |
| Gas Connection | 3/4″ NPT | |
| Water Connection | 3/4″ NPT | |
| Condensate Water Drain | 1/2″ NPT | |
| Natural Gas Pressure Inlet | Min. 5.0″WC | Max 10.5″WC |
| LP Gas Pressure Inlet | Min. 8.0″WC | Max. 14.0″WC |
| Weight | DV = 73lbs. | |
| Dimensions | 25.6″ x 18.5″ x 12.4″ | |
| Ignition | Electronic Ignition | |
| Electrical Supply | AC 120V (60 Hz) | |
| Water Pressure | Min. 15psi | Max. 150psi |
| T-H2DV Manifold Pressure | Natural: 3.15″WC | Propane:4.6″WC |
As we all know Canada can has winter, and this affects our ground water temperature. The higher the tankless has to heat ground water up the lower the output flow of hot water is. Ontario’s ground water fluctuates with the coldest temperatures occurring in February and the warmest is September. Toronto, Hamilton, Brampton, Scarborough, Mississauga for example are places that rarely see ground water temperatures dip below 40 degrees Fahrenheit. Thus its safe to assume a minimum of 4.6GPM in the worst of conditions.
Download the official Takagi T-H2 specifications sheet here. Must have PDF viewer.
Conclusion
If you are looking for a condensing tankless that is relatively cheap and flexible for installation the Takagi condensing unit is definitely one that you should consider. This unit is $2575 our price and the Suggested Retail is $3920, which is considerably more.
Fill out the form below if you are at all interested in this or any other Tankless Water Heater.
Navien Venting
Oct 22nd
Navian Venting
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Navian Tankless water heaters have a significant advantage in their venting requirements. For the Navian system to meet code it only need to be vented with conventional PVC piping. This results in a significant cost savings for the consumer or Navian tankless owner. The required pipe can be purchased at your local Home Depot or hardware store. In addition if you purchase the system from a certified installer or dealer they are able to pass the savings on to you, reducing the overall cost.
The reason that conventional piping can be used is due to the Navian system recycling so much of the heat that the exhaust gasses being released are basically just warm air. This reduces the risk of fire and allows for more versitile venting options.
If your considering a tankless water heater, take another look at the Navian systems they are full of unique innovations other companies are trying to match.
Are you in the greater toronto area or the golden horse shoe? Places like Mississauga, Hamilton, Oakville, Newmarket, Vaughn, Richmond Hill, Scarborough. If so we are a certified dealer and installer of Navien Tankless water heaters fill out a quick form and we can have someone call you within 24 hours to book a free consultation and see if your home fits the requirements for a tankless water heater.
Fill out the form here for a Free Quote FORM
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Tankless Rental Program
May 20th
Tankless Rentals
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Home owners in Ontario, Toronto, Burlington, Hamilton, Etobicoke and the GTA are now able to rent a tankless hot water heater instead of the conventional tank type. A tankless system heats water on demand 
or as required by a home owner and provides an endless supply. A conventional tank heats water all day long and wastes energy.
This is a worry free rental program that gives home owners the option to go tankless without the upfront costs. Switching out your old tank is easy as expert installers will remove the old tank and replace it with the new tankless system. The old tank will, if you own it be recycled or if it’s a rental returned to the company that you’re currently with.
This should all take less than 4 hours and you can be saving over a 1000 pounds of CO2 a year.
Fill out this quick form and we will have someone contact you within 24 hours to answer any question and find out if a tankless will work in your home.
Greatest Tankless Penetration
Jan 9th
Most Popular Areas
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2008 was a great year with many people switching over to tankless systems, it sure has keep us busy around here. Going over some of the results have yielded some surprising stats.
Most Popular Brand
Rinnai
This was not that surprising to us as we had a hard time maintain an adequate amount of stock for customer installations. Hands down the Rinnai tankless is the best unit out there.
Navian
This units efficiency rating was through the roof and thus made it an easy choice for a lot of consumers, we have stopped selling it due to system flaws. 2009 should be a much better year for the Navien.
Location
Toronto Core
This location has one of the highest densities of homes and so it is to be expected that it had the greatest density of tankless installs.
Mississauga
We didn’t expect this but Mississauga came in second with numerous installs of tankless systems.
Brampton
Brampton came in third for the city with the most tankless installs. They also had the highest penetration of Rinnai’s verses other brands, 94 percent were installed Rinnai’s. That topped all the other cities by a slight margin.
Oakville
There is really nothing too exciting about Oakville but they achieved the fourth highest number of tankless installs.
Markham
This city has achieved a fifth place ranking on total tankless installations but they also have the highest number of rented tankless systems.
Burlington
Not the greatest claim to fame but Burlington had the highest percentage of Navian’s installed, and the city with the sixth greatest tankless installations
Other
We installed tankless systems in many other location, nearly 50% were installed outside the six cities listed above. Here is a list of 9 more make this a list of 15 top tankless installs per city in Ontario.
- Hamilton
- Etobicoke
- Richmond Hill
- Scarborough
- Vaughan
- Kitchener
- Guelph
- Newmarket
- Whitby
I will try to publish some more interesting facts such as
- Average Tankless Cost
- Average Venting Cost
- Type of Home system installed in
- Average Home Age
- Average Home size
Find Out More
And as always if you are interested in a tankless water heating system follow the link below or click the “get a quote” at the top of the page.
Tankless Rental
Dec 9th
You are probably paying $50.00 or more per month to just maintain the heat in a tank type water heater. WHY? Because the tank system looses its heat up the flue and then reheats, even while you sleep or are at work. This is called standby heat loss. 
The payback period for tankless water heaters is 3 to 7 years depending on how much hot water you use and the cost of energy. The smaller the amount of hot water that you use, the faster the payoff. If you are single and are seldom at home using hot water, your energy bill reflects the low consumption because tankless water heaters do not experience standby heat loss. Rewarding conservation is a key toward protecting future fresh water supplies.
Switching to a tankless water heater is easy. You can rent a Rinnai tankless water heater for about $35 per month. If you live in Anywhere in Toronto, Bramton, Hamilton or all of the GTA, all you need to do is send us your information and we’ll give you a free assessment. You can get started today. You will receive a Rinnai tankless water heater installed by a licensed installer and the cost of a standard installation will be completely covered. In a few hours you will have your own tankless system!
Another benefit of renting is that you will still qualify for the ecoEnergy rebate from Natural Resources Canada. Click here for more details.
