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Rinnai Condensing Verses Navien Condensing
Nov 8th
These are the two heavy hitters in the high efficiency Tankless water heater field. How can you choose the correct tankless, well this article aims to help you choose between the Rinnai Tankless or the Navien Tankless.
| Brand | Rinnai | Navien | Rinnai | Navien |
| Model Nuber | RC98HP | NR240 | RC80HP | NR180 |
| Dimension | 19Wx26Hx11D | 17Wx28Hx15D | 19Wx26Hx11D | 17Wx28Hx14D |
| Weight | 71 lbs | 77 lbs | 64 lbs | 67 lbs |
| Activation Rate (GPM) | 0.4 | 0.5 | 0.4 | 0.5 |
| Min. Input (BTUs,NG) | 9,500 | 17,000 | 9,500 | 15,000 |
| Max. Input (BTUs,NG) | 199,000 | 199,000 | 157,000 | 150,000 |
| GPM @ 77 Rise | 5.0 | 5.0 | 4.0 | 3.8 |
| Thermal Efficiency | 96% | 98% | 97% | 98.8% |
| Energy Factor | 0.94 | 0.97 | 0.95 | 0.96 |
| Type of Venting | Concentric PP | Two Pipe PVC | Concentric PP | Two Pipe PVC |
This chart pits the two main tankless systems that each manufacturer produces, the only row it is missing is reliability. Unfortunately we dont have any scientific data on that but would venture to say that the Rinnai makes the more dependable tankless. This is solely based on comments that we receive here on the site regarding the two tankless manufacturers.
Prices
Nov 8th
Pricing a tankless from a website is, dare we say it…. Impossible.
There are too many unknowns, number of occupants, gas line size, venting issues, water pressure, to name only a few. Many sites offer tankless units and rely on the home owner to do the research necessary to understand all aspects of installation and preform it themselves. This is a recipe for disaster, it very well could work excellent and the owner may save some money… But these situations are far and few between. There is years of training and experience that plumbers and gas fitters go through to become qualified.
Having a tankless installed by a professional ensures your unit is correctly supplied, sized, and vented to meet the necessary requirements and provide the best possible results.
Now the Prices….
Below are all INSTALLED Prices and NEGOTIABLE, manufacture rebates are not included as they change on a monthly basis Contact Us For Current Promotions.
Rinnai Products
Rinnai – R75-LSi Tankless – $3250.00
Rinnai – RC80-HPi Condensing Tankless – $3895.00
Rinnai – Wireless Controller with Transceiver – $495.00
Rinnai – Wired Controller – $275.00
Noritz Products
Noritz – NRC111 Condensing Tankless – $4250.00
GSW
Envirosense PV 90% – $3400.00
Envirosense Power Direct Vent 96% – $4250.00
Power Vent 50 Gallon – $1800.00
Conventional Vent 50 Gallon – $1250.00
Finance Or Lease
All products are available to be either financed or leased Find out here about Financing and here about Leasing.
Prices are available within the Greater Toronto area, as well as Markham, Mississauga, Richmond Hill, Etobicoke, Hamilton, Burlington, Oakville and all towns within.
Navien Rebates
Oct 19th
Navien Tankless water heaters are available for rebates sponsored by the Ontario Government. These cash incentives have been put in place to help convince you the home owner the switch to a more efficient home water heating system. Newer technology comes with higher costs and these rebates help to offset the cost of a tankless water heater.
So you have decided to go for a Navien tankless water heater, how much can you expect to get back?
Navien Tankless Rebates
- Navien CC-210A – $375
- Navien CC-240A- $375
- Navien CR-180- $375
- Navien CR-180A- $375
- Navien CR-210- $375
- Navien CR-210A- $375
- Navien CC-180A- $375
- Navien CC-210- $375
- Navien CC-240- $375
- Navien CR-240- $375
- Navien CR-240A- $375
- Navien NR-180- $375
- Navien NR-180A- $375
- Navien NR-210- $375
- Navien NR-210A- $375
- Navien NR-240- $375
- Navien NR-240A- $375
Basically all Navien Tankless Water heaters are eligible for the $375 Grant as the they are all condensing units.
Navien makes the most efficient tankless available on the market but be cautious and make sure you are getting a good new generation unit as the old versions had and still have MANY issues (see issues here).
Don’t forget rental tankless systems are still eligible for rebates.
Price out a Rinnai Tankless
Sep 21st
We get a significant number of people looking for Navien Tankless water heaters on this site…. Yes they do have the highest efficiency rating of any tankless BUT… They (in our opinion) are the worst built tankless water heater. If you feel we are wrong check out the comments we get regarding Navien errors and problems HERE or HERE. As you can see there are numerous issues.
Price out a Rinnai Tankless, the rc98hpi is a condensing tankless with a energy factor of 94%. It is a very stable unit with little to no issues. If your looking for stability and reliability they you will probably want to stick with Rinnai or another brand of 
tankless water heaters. But if you want the highest efficient tankless on the market you will want to go with a Navien unit.
Either way we offer access to all units and can get you an installed price quote for which ever way you end want to persue.
Fill out the quick form here and we have someone call you as soon as possible.
Navien NR-180
Sep 20th
Navien NR-180 Tankless Water Heater Information
| Navien NR-180 |
| Input : 15,000~150,000 BTU/h |
| Thermal Efficiency : 98% |
| Energy Factor : 0.96 |
| Flow Rate |
| ㆍAt 35˚F Rise : 8.3 GPM |
| ㆍAt 45˚F Rise : 6.5 GPM |
| ㆍAt 77˚F Rise : 3.8 GPM |
Navien Offers Ultimate in Energy Efficiency with Hi-Tech Comfort
- Easy installation and PVC venting for Navien tankless
- 3″ SCH 40 solid PVC up to 100′
- Navien holds the industry’s highest energy efficiency rating – 98%
- Ready Link Cascade System
- Optional built-in recirculation system with buffer tank
- Advanced Eco Navien technology
- Extended lifecycle utilizing dual stainless steel heat exchangers
- Advanced remote control – NR-10DU
- Navien has the industry’s best warranty
Heat Exchanger
Navien tankless water heaters utilizes dual stainless steel heat exchangers, providing 3.8 to 4.5 times longer life-expectancy and erosion resistance over the copper heat exchangers used in other tankless brands. Navien’s heat exchangers operate with relatively low water temperature, minimizing damage from hard water conditions and maintains efficiency levels. Its always important to have your tankless flushed once every 2 years or so to remove any buildup from within the heat exchangers.
Efficiency
Because of Naviens high efficiency the tankless can be vented in PVC piping. Basically excess heat is exhausted with all the combustion gasses in conventional tank systems but a Navien uses this to further heat the water. This results in significantly lower exhaust temperatures and allows for the use of PVC exhaust vent piping.
Links and Further Info
- Official Navien Site – http://www.navienamerica.com/
- Navien Promotional PDF
- Navien Tankless Operation Manual
- Price Range – from $2400 to $4500 per unit, installation included.
Rinnai RC98HPi
Jul 15th
Features
- Qualifies For Government Grants
- ENERGY STAR qualified
- Up to 96% thermal efficiency
- Condensing technology for greater efficiency and significant hot water energy savings
- Capacity to supply continuous hot water simultaneously to multiple plumbing demands
- Significant space savings over tank-style water heaters
- More sanitary hot water
- Long-lasting design and reduced risk of flooding
- Available in Natural Gas or Propane
- Flexible indoor installation options
- Meets Strict NOx Emission Rules
- 12-year heat exchanger limited warranty for residential installations (5 years on parts, 1 year on labor)
- Pair up with an air handler for efficient home heating
Specifications
- Dimensions: 19” W x 26” H x 10” D
- Weight: 71 lbs.
- Installation: Interior/Residential or Commercial
- Approved Gas Types: Natural Gas or Propane
- Minimum/Maximum Gas Rate (Input BTUs): 10,000 – 199,000
- Hot Water Capacity: 0.4 to 9.8 GPM (35° rise)
- Energy Factor: 0.94 (NG and LP)
- Electrical: AC 120 Volts – 60 Hz
- Connections:
- Gas Supply: ¾ inch MNPT
- Cold Water Inlet: ¾ inch MNPT
- Hot Water Outlet: ¾ inch MNPT
- Temperature Range (Min-Max)
- Residential: 98°-140° F
- Commercial: 98°-185° F (requires MCC-91-1 controller)
- Standard Digital Controller: MC-91-1US (included)
Documents
- Brochure : Rinnai Condensing Tankless Water Heater RC98HPi
- Owners Manuel: Rinnai RC98HPi
- Specifications sheet: RC98HPi Tankless Condensing
Get a Rinnai RC98HPi
Interested in renting or purchasing a high efficiency condensing Rinnai tankless? Get a free quote here and we will have someone come out to your home to see if it can be installed free of charge.
Rinnai RC80HPi
Jul 15th
Features
- Qualifies For Government Rebates
- ENERGY STAR qualified
- Up to 97% thermal efficiency for this Tankless
- Condensing technology for greater efficiency and significant energy savings!
- Capacity to supply continuous hot water simultaneously to multiple plumbing demands
- Significant space savings over conventional tank-style water heaters
- More sanitary hot water
- Long-lasting design and reduced flooding risk
- Available in Natural Gas or Propane
- Flexible indoor installation options
- Meets strict NOx Emission Rules
- 12-year heat exchanger limited warranty for residential installations (5 years on parts, 1 year on labor)
- Pair up with an air handler for efficient home heating
Specifications
- Dimensions: 19” W x 26” H x 10” D
- Weight: 71 lbs.
- Installation: Interior/Residential or Commercial
- Approved Gas Types: Natural Gas or Propane
- Minimum/Maximum Gas Rate (Input BTUs): 10,000 – 157,000
- Hot Water Production: 0.4 to 8.0 GPM (35° rise)
- Energy Factor: 0.96 (NG and LP)
- Electrical: AC 120 Volts – 60 Hz
- Connections:
Gas Supply: ¾ inch MNPT
Cold Water Inlet: ¾ inch MNPT
Hot Water Outlet: ¾ inch MNPT
- Temperature Range (Min-Max):
Residential: 98°-140° F
Commercial: 98°-185° F (requires MCC-91-1 controller)
Documents
- Brochure : Rinnai Condensing Tankless Water Heater RC80HPi
- Owners Manuel: Rinnai RC80HPi
- Specifications sheet: RC80HPi Tankless Condensing
Rinnai Tankless
Jul 15th
The Rinnai tankless water heater is one of the best brands of tankless systems out there. This is simply because the unit is reliable.
The specifications and features on any of the Rinnai tankless product lines are on par with all other major tankless brands, they consume similar amounts of gas, produce very similar hot water quantities, and have nearly the exact same efficiency ratings. Day in and day out the Rinnai tankless just works, it never breaks down and that’s what makes it stand out.
Rinnai Models
The Rinnai tankless units that are installable in Ontario are:
- RC80HPi
- RC98HPi
- R50LSi
- R75LSi
- R98LSi (commercial)
The RC80 and RC98 are both condensing units and have a energy factor of 94%
The R50, R75, and R98 are conventional tankless systems with an energy factor of 82%
Tankless Grants for Rinnai
All Rinnai units available for Government grants – you can find out how much you are eligible for on our Grants Page.
Sizing a Rinnai
Why Rinnai is different:
As a consumer you simply cant purchase a Rinnai tankless and have your local plumber install it, the dealership has strict sales rules and policies in place to prevent this. To become a Rinnai tankless dealer all of the installers have to go through special training to ensure that each and every tankless is installed within all specifications. Yes, this is a significant factor to why Rinnai’s reliability factor is so high.
Its difficult if not impossible to size a tankless without first surveying the home that its being installed in, there is a rough guide that you can follow though.
- RC98 and RC80 – Tankless condensing units that can handle between 8 and 9.8 GPM suitable for nearly all homes (except for really large one 4000 sqf and up).
- R75 – Very universal tankless suitable for nearly all homes, produces 7.5 GPM (caution should be taken on installs for larger homes).
- R50 – Smaller tankless suitable for smaller homes and cottages. The unit produces 5.0 GPM.
Rinnai Costs
Again this is nearly impossible to predict as every home is unique as well as every install. The unknowns are installation rates, venting pipe length, venting issues, mounting locations, gas piping, water piping, etc. But the unit is a fixed price and can cost anywhere from $1500 to over $4000 (that’s installation included as you cant just buy a unit).
Rebates
Jul 13th
Rebates Are Still Available!
Most people think that the Eco Energy rebate program has ended but it is still ongoing and it will likely be re-instated upon its scheduled closing. 
If your interested in getting a tankless water heater for your home then you can still be eligible for rebate and grants from the Canadian Government to offset the higher cost of the tankless. You will need to participate in the Government Eco Energy Audit Program to become eligible for the grants.
The Energy Audit tells you information about your home and is a lot of value to most home owners, you will also gain access to grant money for home insulation, toilets, furnaces, air conditioners, etc.
How much rebate for a Tankless?
This is a common question and it changes with the tankless water heater you buy. You can expect $315 for any tankless that has an efficiency rating below 92%. If you go with a condensing tankless which will bring your efficiency rating up in between 94% to 98% you will receive $375.
Tankless water heaters are notoriously difficult to install and thus a representative needs to come out and assess your home. They can answer any further questions you have and help decide where you would like the unit installed (remember it mounts on the wall).
