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Your Installer knows
Nov 23rd
You live in Toronto, Mississauga, Hamilton or one of the cities located nearby and your interested in a tankless water heater so you Google it, researching brands, models, venting and everything in between. You decide on a Navien tankless as it seems to have the best of everything. We are going to try and talk you out of it. The thing is most of the time people always search for the positives, try Goggling ‘Navien problems’ and you will find an entire underworld containing copious amounts of frustrations and little hacks to try and get these units running as they are plagued with problems.
You know your house inside and out as well as how your family uses water, but your installer knows tankless systems. You both need to listen to each other when determining the right brand and size to install.
An installer or company dealing with tankless systems installs them everyday they know the ins and outs of the different brands. Its likely that they will recommend a brand as they know its dependability.
Some Tips To Ask The Sales Representative
- Every tankless needs unique venting to meet Government requirements, if someone says they can sell you one over the phone…. RUN
- How many hot water applications can run simultaneously (eg. dishwasher, sink shower)
- Ask for a breakdown of costs
- Ensure you get the exact model they plan on installing and try a quick Google search on it
- Make sure you get your warranty printed on the contract
- Do they have experience installing in Toronto or surrounding areas
Rinnai Condensing Verses Navien Condensing
Nov 8th
These are the two heavy hitters in the high efficiency Tankless water heater field. How can you choose the correct tankless, well this article aims to help you choose between the Rinnai Tankless or the Navien Tankless.
| Brand | Rinnai | Navien | Rinnai | Navien |
| Model Nuber | RC98HP | NR240 | RC80HP | NR180 |
| Dimension | 19Wx26Hx11D | 17Wx28Hx15D | 19Wx26Hx11D | 17Wx28Hx14D |
| Weight | 71 lbs | 77 lbs | 64 lbs | 67 lbs |
| Activation Rate (GPM) | 0.4 | 0.5 | 0.4 | 0.5 |
| Min. Input (BTUs,NG) | 9,500 | 17,000 | 9,500 | 15,000 |
| Max. Input (BTUs,NG) | 199,000 | 199,000 | 157,000 | 150,000 |
| GPM @ 77 Rise | 5.0 | 5.0 | 4.0 | 3.8 |
| Thermal Efficiency | 96% | 98% | 97% | 98.8% |
| Energy Factor | 0.94 | 0.97 | 0.95 | 0.96 |
| Type of Venting | Concentric PP | Two Pipe PVC | Concentric PP | Two Pipe PVC |
This chart pits the two main tankless systems that each manufacturer produces, the only row it is missing is reliability. Unfortunately we dont have any scientific data on that but would venture to say that the Rinnai makes the more dependable tankless. This is solely based on comments that we receive here on the site regarding the two tankless manufacturers.
Prices
Nov 8th
Pricing a tankless from a website is, dare we say it…. Impossible.
There are too many unknowns, number of occupants, gas line size, venting issues, water pressure, to name only a few. Many sites offer tankless units and rely on the home owner to do the research necessary to understand all aspects of installation and preform it themselves. This is a recipe for disaster, it very well could work excellent and the owner may save some money… But these situations are far and few between. There is years of training and experience that plumbers and gas fitters go through to become qualified.
Having a tankless installed by a professional ensures your unit is correctly supplied, sized, and vented to meet the necessary requirements and provide the best possible results.
Now the Prices….
Below are all INSTALLED Prices and NEGOTIABLE, manufacture rebates are not included as they change on a monthly basis Contact Us For Current Promotions.
Rinnai Products
Rinnai – R75-LSi Tankless – $3250.00
Rinnai – RC80-HPi Condensing Tankless – $3895.00
Rinnai – Wireless Controller with Transceiver – $495.00
Rinnai – Wired Controller – $275.00
Noritz Products
Noritz – NRC111 Condensing Tankless – $4250.00
GSW
Envirosense PV 90% – $3400.00
Envirosense Power Direct Vent 96% – $4250.00
Power Vent 50 Gallon – $1800.00
Conventional Vent 50 Gallon – $1250.00
Finance Or Lease
All products are available to be either financed or leased Find out here about Financing and here about Leasing.
Prices are available within the Greater Toronto area, as well as Markham, Mississauga, Richmond Hill, Etobicoke, Hamilton, Burlington, Oakville and all towns within.
New Submission Form
Nov 5th
Here at the tankless hot water guide we are always striving to make it easier for our users. We have added live help and now a light-box effect on the free evaluation form. Instead of navigating to a new page to submit your info for a tankless it pops up in the same window.
Try it here now. Request a Free Tankless Evaluation
All our service and tankless installation is done in the greater Toronto area, (Brampton, Hamilton, Mississauga, Etobicoke, Maple, Vaughan, Richmond Hill, Markham, Oshawa, Pickering) and all the little towns in between.
If your wondering what the difference between the Rinnai Tankless and Navien Tankless (or any other brand) are try the live help if we are online, otherwise fill out our Request a Free Evaluation and we will call you back ASAP.
Tankless Warranty Facts
Oct 4th
Tankless systems all seem to have different warranties and information regarding their heat exchangers, parts, and labour on installation. Here is a small break down of what you as a home owner can expect. 
Bosch – 12 year warranty on tankless heat exchanger and 2 years on Parts.
Navian – 15 year warranty on tankless heat exchanger and 5 years on Parts
Noritz - 10 year warranty on tankless heat exchanger and 5 years on Prats.
Rinnai – 12 year warranty on tankless heat exchanger and 5 on Parts, but also comes with 1 year on labour.
Takagi - 10 year warranty on tankless heat exchanger, 5 years on Parts, and 1 year on labour.
It pays to do your research as you can see there is a bit of a difference between the different brands and the warranties that they offer. These tankless systems are designed to last for a number of years, many years longer than your conventional tank water heater.
Also know that the company you hire to do the installation more often than not (if they are reputable) will add additional warranty on to your unit. Make sure to get a few quotes and make the warranty a priority when negotiating the price.
Tankless Brands
Jul 11th
There are a number of different brands of tankless water heaters below you will find a short synopsis of each of each tankless system.
Rinnai Tankless
Easily one of the biggest suppliers of tankless units, they are known for stability and reliability. Of all the experience we have had with tankless water heaters Rinnai’s Tankless is by far the most reliable unit on the market today.
Navien Tankless
This one is often spelled incorrectly as “Navian”. It has been know as the the most efficient tankless with their units reaching 98% efficiency. They have had reliability issues in the past but they are on to the 4th generation now and most of the issues have been cleared up.
Noritz Tankless
Not the most popular brand of tankless but it is a nice unit none the less. Reliability is lacking a bit but it makes it up in its efficiency.
Bosch Tankless
Commonly sold in Home Depots, these tankless systems are good units but they are so frequently incorrectly sized and installed that they have developed a bad reputation due to this.
Takagi Tankless
If for some reason I couldn’t get a Rinnai tankless I would choose the Takagi tankless model for sure, high efficiency, reliability, and easy venting. What more could you ask for?
John Wood Tankless
This brand can be difficult to find in Toronto or Ontario for that matter, its mainly sold in the US and is made by GSW.
Home Depot Tankless or Rinnai
May 12th
Bosch vs Rinnai Tankless
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There has been quite the buzz regarding tankless water heaters lately. Claims of their superior energy savings and efficiency have been touted by every company pushing the units. Yes they do reduce the amount of gas or propane you use but they also provide endless hot water. If you take a 45 minute shower your more than likely using more energy than you would with a conventional tank that simply runs out of hot water after 20. Yet if you are reasonable and shower for the same duration, you have great potential to see some real energy (and money) savings with a tankless water heater.
Now that you know you want a tankless you have two options…
Option 1 – Go to your nearest Home Depot and purchase one from there, then hire a gas fitter and a plumber to install it
or
Option 2 – Look for a professional tankless installer who has the specialty to preform a stand-up job.
Being the person purchasing the system cost will obviously be a factor and I guarantee Home Depot will be the cheapest option (If cost is your only driving force you should click the link and head to Home Depot now).
For those of you that stuck around I will explain why the second choice is probably the best choice.
Firstly if you call around to a few tankless installers you will quickly realize that none of them sell Bosch tankless heaters (Bosch is the only tankless brand Home Depot sells). The reason why these companies don’t offer this brand is due to the fact they offer extended warranties and guarantees. They are on the line for the products they sell and thus they go with quality products they know will stand up and remain reliable.
Enter Rinnai.
Ask these same tankless installation companies if they sell the Rinnai brand tankless water heater and I bet you find that 99% of them do. Rinnai tankless water heaters are built to last and this is why industry professionals install this brand. Lets compare the Bosch and Rinnai tankless models and see some of the differences.
Bosch Aquastar Tankless Water Heater 1600H compared with Rinnai R75LSi Tankless
Bosch Tankless Verses a Rinnai Tankless
| Bosch 1600H | Rinnai R75LSi | |
|---|---|---|
| Tankless Weight | 33 Pounds | 50 Pounds |
| Power Input (NG) | 30,735-117,000 Btu | 15,000-180,000 Btu |
| CSA Certified | Yes | Yes |
| GPM | 0.6 – 3.5 GPM | 0.6 – 7.5 GPM |
| Energy Factor | 0.8 or 80% | 0.82 or 82% |
| Heat Exchanger | Residential Grade | Commercial Grade |
| Cost or Price | $939 + installation and Vent | $2850 or $39.95 rental |
As you can see there are some definite differences, probably the most glaring is the amount of hotwater that can be provided. The Rinnai is able to produce more than twice as much, meaning you won’t run into problems when running more than one appliance or faucet..
Of course this doesn’t take into account all the benefits that you get from a professional install like:
- Proper venting, tankless systems have very specific code requirements
- Correct sizing so that you always have enough hot water
- Additional warranty and workmanship guarantees
- Maintenance guarantees, service plans, and emergency tech service.
Sure any Ontario Home Depot has the cheapest system but I hope I clarified why they’re some much cheaper. Now those of you still left reading option 2 and didn’t click on the Home Depot link you are obviously interested in a tankless. These systems can’t go in every home due to venting issues so we send out a technician to make sure everything will work and what size tankless your home would need. This is a free service, so just fill out the form below and we will call you to schedule a time for someone to come by. Typically only 15-20 minutes.
Technicians are fitting and sizing tankless water heaters in all of the greater Toronto area as well as, Hamilton, Burlington, Oakville, Etobicoke, Mississauga, Rexdale, Richmond Hill, Vaughan, Markham, North York, Scarborough, Im sure I have missed some cities but you get the idea, if in question just send us an email.
Enbridge Gas Distribution $300 Rebate
Apr 29th
$300 Rebate
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Enbridge Gas Distribution is offering a new program that offers residential customers $300 off their gas bill with the installation of a new or rented tankless natural gas water heater. Enbridge has taken the trend 
toward environmental stewardship and embraced it by offering clients an additional incentive to become more efficient.
Customers of Enbridge can become eligible for the rebate with the purchase of a tankless water heater that is a qualified energy star system. The primary brands that qualify are, John Wood, Navien, Paloma, Rheem, Takagi, Rinnai, and WaiWela. The hitch is that the units need to be installed before August 31, 2009. The territory severed mainly consists of, Toronto, York, Durham, and the Greater Toronto Area.
People can find out more at the Enbridge website here, or fill out a quick form and we will have some one call you to explain in greater detail
Unfortunately this program from Enbridge has ended… If something new does appear again we will be the first to notify you.
Navien Tankless Water Tank
Feb 4th
Navien Tankless Water Tank
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Firstly let’s get this straight; Navien is a brand of tankless hot water heater not Navian.I have seen this 
spelled wrong many times, Navian (I googled it) is nothing, definitely not a tankless water heater.
Navien has 6 residential models (CR-180, CR-210, CR-240, CR-180A, CR-210A, CR-240A) and then 3 commercial units (CC-180, CC-210, CC-240). These tankless water heaters are all relatively similarly designed but as you go up in model number you increase the amount of hot water the tankless unit can provide.Here is a quick list of each units performance.
- CR-180 and 180A are able to provide roughly 3.8 gallons per minute with a 77 degree F rise.
- CR-210 and 210A are able to provide roughly 4.5 gallons per minute with a 77 degree F rise
- CR-240 and 240A are able to provide roughly 5 gallons per minute with a 77 degree F rise
We should definitely look at the efficiency of the Navien tankless water heater which is currently the only condensing unit on the market.This extra step gives Navien the efficiency title, currently rated at 98%, therefore 98 cents of every dollar spent on heating your water is actually turned into hot water.This is an amazing number as most tankless water heaters are 10% to 15% less efficient. Of course being the first on the block has its issues, the Navien tankless water heater is facing some problems from rubber hoses becoming blocked. This has been reported numerous time in several forums around the internet.
The good thing is that most of the other Tankless water heater manufactures are working on their own form of tankless condensing units.This should give the consumer a good choice in high efficiency water heating.
CR-180, CR-180A……Specifications Sheet
CR-210, CR-210A…… Specifications Sheet
CR-240, CR-240A…….Specifications Sheet
Navien UPDATE-2010
This write up was done in February of 2009 so its been over a year now and there are a number of alternate condensing tankless water heaters available now. Navien was the first on the block and realistically you cant beat the price of the unit, even today its still lower than all condensing tankless units. Sure there has been some issues regarding the system but thats to be expected from a new technology (we will be authoring a new post on all these problems and their fix, check back soon).
Navien problems and the Fix – Click here to read
If your interested in a Navien tankless water heater fill out the form below and we will contact you, there’s no obligation and at the very least you will be more informed on whether a tankless is right for you or not.
Navien UPDATE – Feb 2012
Navien has spent a lot of time reworking their tankless water heaters and removing all the bugs and issues that have plagued them in the past. I feel more than confident in 2012 to recommend their new tankless water heaters.
Call Toll Free 1-855-696-8265 for any questions, issues, or for Navien prices. Otherwise feel free to send us a quick message with the form below.
