Tankless Water Heaters
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Richmond Hill Tankless
Mar 25th
Tankless in Richmond Hill
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We install tankless water heaters in much of Ontario and Toronto but Richmond Hill always has a lot of tankless systems installed. This is a city with a high percentage of Tankless water heaters to conventional systems. This high number could be attributed to a few things. Firstly, within Richmond Hill it is easy to swap out any existing rental 
tank to a high efficiency Tankless water heater. Also Richmond Hill is on Enbridge additionally this makes it a simpler task to swap or change up to a Tankless water heater.
Remember government grants for a tankless system are between $630 and $750. So you can use that to offset the additional cost that a tankless system costs over a conventional tank.
If your interested in a tankless water and live in Richmond Hill then fill out the quick form here and we will get back to you as soon as possible to answer any questions you may have.
Outgoing
Mar 22nd
Noritz Tankless Video
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Here is a video on the Noritz 842 condensing tankless. It is a YouTube video, its informative but tailored to the American market. Keep in mind that with and Eco Energy Audit you can get access to 750$ rebate from the Canadian and Ontario government. This program will end in 2011 so get your D audits done soon or you may miss out. You can find out more about an Energy audit or even Book One.
Norits Tankless Water Heater
Mar 22nd
Norits Tankless Hot Water
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We are now starting to install the Norits tankless systems to replace the Navien that we have had some troubles with.
The Norits is a condensing tankless that is able to provide sufficient hot water for the typical 3 bedroom 3 bathroom home.
Nortis Advantages
- 0.5 GPM low flow start up requirement
- Direct ignition
- Condensing so
- Greater than 93% efficient
- Digital thermometer for accuracy
- Dual copper primary heat exchangers
- Multi-system compatibility
- PVC (636) venting capabilities
The Noritz 842 tankless water heater also uses a dual flame in its burner. This is a system that recirculates the exhaust gases back into the combustion chamber to burn off any excess fuel and particulate mater so as to increase efficiency and provide, essentially free heat.
Single Burner
Dual Burner
These energy efficient models use dual heat exchangers to increase efficiency to over 93%. Available form Norits are the N-0842MC and the N-0842MC-DV, the tankless come in either direct or power vent.
Fill out this form and see if the Norits tankless will work in your home. CLICK FOR FORM
Noritz is correctly spelled with a Z instead of an S but its a common mistake.
Toronto Tankless
Mar 20th
Toronto Tankless
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Looking to get a Toronto Tankless water heater? We have been installing these units in Toronto and surrounding areas for years now. We have installed nearly every brand and can service anything that has been installed 
already. So if your thinking of getting a tankless water heater in Toronto give us a call or fill out a contact form, its a free quote, at the very least you will have an idea of what one of these tankless units cost.
Venting a tankless in Toronto can be very difficult as there are a lot of requirements and specifications that have to be met before an installation can even begin. In fact I would bet that around 40% of toronto / GTA homes cant even get a tankless system. Does your home meet the requirements and thus 750$ in government rebates? Toronto and surrounding area homes that meet tankless installation requirements receive 750 dollars in government rebates.
Fill out the form below and find out for free if you meet the requirements.
Advice on Tankless Water
Mar 19th
Tankless Help
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We have been in this business for quite a while now and these are some of our feelings and issues…..
If you’re out getting quotes for new tankless water heaters and some company or sales person quotes you anything less than 2000 dollars Canadian for the entire job parts & labor, watch out! It’s probably (and likely) to good to be true. There’s a good chance you’re going to be one of the next victim of “To good to be true pricing”. If you do end up having a problem it will cost you twice as much to correct the issue than it would have if you had if you had the unit installed correctly the first time.
Don’t forget about the extra costs, a high quality tankless water heaters system designed for a small home will cost at least 1,200 dollars. You have additional costs also you need to consider when you have decided to make the purchase. Remember…..
- valve kit
- Gas line
- Exhaust piping
- Condensate pump
- Gas termination plates
- Strap hangers
- Water piping
- Brass, and copper fittings
- Electrical outlet (if there’s not one nearby)
On top of that you have the labour, in general a Tankless should be able to be installed in half a day.
The Discount Tankless Water Heater
If a friend or someone you know says they can install a tankless water heater for a “few hundred bucks” remember its not a deal, these systems can be VERY specific in terms of gas or water pressure and it will probably end up costing you more to get a certified installer out to fix the job.
If your father or father in law was a plumber in the Navy 40 years ago, please don’t let him install your tankless water heater!
If a young relative or friend just got out of plumbing school, do not let them install your tankless water heater!
If your getting estimates for a new tankless water heater, and the installer cannot show you at least one picture of a previous tankless water heater installation he or she did, do not hire that person as your installer.
If the sales person shows up at your home and doesn’t bother to look around to make sure the installation will go by checking gas lines, venting location, installation site, etc do not let that person install your new tankless water heater!
Please Note: Tankless water heaters often cannot be installed due to building and plumbing codes in Ontario and Canada, additionally there are specific manufacturing requirements all installs must meet.
DO NOT BUY A TANKLESS WATER HEATER FROM HOME DEPOT OR ANOTHER BIG BOX STORE!!!
The units they offer provide the least hot water on the market. Nearly 65% of all tankless water heater bought from Home Depot were returned (2008 – 2009 figure). People think they’re getting a “good deal” but they most likely will end up with major headaches.
Leave tankless water heaters to the pros.
We install Tankless in Toronto, Tankless in Hamilton, Tankless in Mississauga, Tankless in Etobicoke, Tankless in Richmond Hill, Tankless in Markham, Tankless in Bolton, Tankless in Rexdale, Tankless in Brampton and many other locations.
Follow this link and see if a tankless can even be installed in your home and if it can we can provide a Free quote on a tankless system for you.
Navien Problems
Mar 18th
Navien Problems
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Navian was the first to come out with a condensing tankless water heater and thus they are bound to have some issues. This post is aimed at addressing some of these problems.
Issues
- Navien flow sensor issues
- Navien Control board failures
- Navien Heat exchanger cracks
The flow sensor
Early Navian models had flow sensors that would easily corrode and shut the unit down as the buildup would impair operation. There is a temporary fix where you take the two clamps off the sensor, pull it out and blow on it. The fix that Navien has made is to change the sensor over to stainless steel, you can replace the part to prevent this unexpected shut down. Also an additional fix is to install a 5 micron filter in the water inlet right before the Navian.
Navian Control Boards or Motherboards
These do fail relatively frequently and symptoms would be that the unit turns on, then off, then on, and then off repeatedly or possibly, fails with error code 03 (ignition failure). There are a few other issues that the board can cause but the only real solution is to power cycle the unit (un-plug and plug back in) or replace the Navien control board.
Cracking Heat Exchanger
This isn’t near as frequent as the problems listed above but it is an issue none the less. A heat exchanger should be replaced immediately; it’s a breach containment allowing exhaust gases to enter your home. The heat exchanger is under Navian warranty.
More Help
Here is some places and information you can use to find additional help.
Navien Technical Help Line – 1-800-519-8794
Navien online trouble shooting – Go HERE
Navien Warranty details – Find out more HERE (should be accurate for Canada and Ontario)
Additional Issues – Read Here
UPDATE – here is a complete list of Navien error codes – Read HERE
If all else fails post a comment and we can try and trouble-shoot any issues here.
Rennai Tankless water heater
Mar 17th
Rennai Tankless water heater
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Rennai tankless or Rannai tankless is actually spelled Rinnai, it is commonly misspelled as Rennai condensing or Rannai condensing. Here are some more spelling errors for Rinnai tankless water heater.
- Rennai Tankless
- Rinai Tankless
- Renni Tankless
- Rinni Tankless
For the Record it is Rinnai.
Here are some Rinnai Facts
- Uses concentric venting which results in only one hole drilled in your wall but this results in a reduction of venting options.
- Lowest failure rates.
- 10 years parts and labour warranty
- Made in Japan
- 8.0 GPM hot water production on most units
- More than 30 million units installed world wide
- No pilot light (direct electronic ignition)
This picture is an example of the vent pipe that a Rinna tankless uses. Basically there is a pipe inside a pipe, one directs exhaust gases out of the house, while the other allows fresh air to flow in from outside directly to the combustion chamber.
So for the record it is Rinnai.
Takagi T-H2 Manual
Mar 16th
Takagi T-H2 PDF Manual
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This is the Takagi tankless water heater manual for the condensing unit. It is for both the indoor and outdoor units, although I don’t recommend that the outdoor unit be installed
here in Toronto.
FOR : T-H2-DV and T-H2-OS
You must have Adobe reader to view this file. Get it HERE if you dont.
Click on either of the two below to access the manual.
Takagi Condensing Tankless Review
Mar 16th
Takagi Condensing Tankless
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Here is the Takagi T-H2 Condensing Tankless hot water heater, there’s a lot to cover so lets get started.
Takagi Tankless Benefits
- PVC venting
- 95% efficient
- 4.6 GPM in dead of winter
- 8.5 GPM in the summer
- Direct vent capability
Info
The T-H2 model is available as a direct vent or an Outdoor model only. Takagi’s T-H2 “2nd Generation High Efficiency Tankless” unit, is a very energy efficient tankless unit (up to 95% in thermal efficiency) in the Tankless industry. The T-H2 was apparently designed for residential and light commercial use and offers Takagi’s Easy-Link to join multiple units.
The T-H2 can provide upwards of three showers’ worth of water simultaneously in colder climates.
The T-H2 can be vented with PVC, providing 0 clearance for DV installations. PVC venting can be used in all applications and apparently Takagi says that 3″ exhaust venting is now available (previously it required a 3″ intake and a 4″ exhaust).
The primary heat exchanger is made of “Heat Resistant Alloy” HRS35 Copper, Takagi has also added a “High Corrosion Resistant Stainless Steel” #316L secondary heat exchanger to recover waste heat from the vent stack before it leaves the unit to preheat the incoming ground water. This second heat exchanger and the resulting condensation that forms from the high efficiency operation, classify it as a “Condensing” Water Heater.
Download the official Takagi T-H2 Manual Here. Must have a PDF viewer.
Specifications
| Natural Gas Input | Min. 13,000BTU | Max. 199,000BTU |
| LPG Input | Min. 13,000BTU | Max. 199,000BTU |
| Gas Connection | 3/4″ NPT | |
| Water Connection | 3/4″ NPT | |
| Condensate Water Drain | 1/2″ NPT | |
| Natural Gas Pressure Inlet | Min. 5.0″WC | Max 10.5″WC |
| LP Gas Pressure Inlet | Min. 8.0″WC | Max. 14.0″WC |
| Weight | DV = 73lbs. | |
| Dimensions | 25.6″ x 18.5″ x 12.4″ | |
| Ignition | Electronic Ignition | |
| Electrical Supply | AC 120V (60 Hz) | |
| Water Pressure | Min. 15psi | Max. 150psi |
| T-H2DV Manifold Pressure | Natural: 3.15″WC | Propane:4.6″WC |
As we all know Canada can has winter, and this affects our ground water temperature. The higher the tankless has to heat ground water up the lower the output flow of hot water is. Ontario’s ground water fluctuates with the coldest temperatures occurring in February and the warmest is September. Toronto, Hamilton, Brampton, Scarborough, Mississauga for example are places that rarely see ground water temperatures dip below 40 degrees Fahrenheit. Thus its safe to assume a minimum of 4.6GPM in the worst of conditions.
Download the official Takagi T-H2 specifications sheet here. Must have PDF viewer.
Conclusion
If you are looking for a condensing tankless that is relatively cheap and flexible for installation the Takagi condensing unit is definitely one that you should consider. This unit is $2575 our price and the Suggested Retail is $3920, which is considerably more.
